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Take a look at my email correspondence with someone who visited this site (MarCheshvon - Kisleiv 5770):

 


Thu 11/5/09:

 

Hi Velvel,

 

Can you please tell me what the source is for being able to say on the Rebbe the phrase "Shlit"a"? If the Rebbe ever said this on the Previous Rebbe can you please show me the source of where he says this?

And what does it even mean to say this about a great Tzaddik who has had an histalkus (meaning he was separated from his fleshly body)?

 

Thank you,

 

S.


Thu 11/5/09

Dear S.,

Thank you for the question.
I'll try to answer to the best of my ability and limited time:

In the early years - 5710, 11 (after the histalkus of the Rebbe Rayatz) the Rebbe shlit"a Melech HaMoshiach constantly used the title "shlit"a" when referring to the Rebbe Rayatz.  I don't have Mkeireis at hand, but if you want, I can look them up - they are printed in the hisvaaduyeis.
Even 42 years later, in 5752, If I am not mistaken, during the (taped) conversation with R. Mordechai Eliyohu, the then Chief rabbi of Eretz Yisroel, again, the Rebbe shlit"a MH"M mentioned "Der Rebbe shlit"a" referring to the Rebbe Rayatz.

Another, imporant point: a Lubavitcher Rebbe is not ONLY a great tzaddik.  He IS a Leader of the generation, a Prophet and Judge of the generation, and  Moshiach of the generation (and Moshiach simply), as the Rebbe shlit"a MH"M himself said in the later Sicheis (late 5740's, also 5750-52)

Again, this is a quick answer, as I am busy and short on time.  If you need detailed sources, please let me know, I'll try to compile a list for you.

Thank you.
S.

My pleasure
:-)

Zev

Yechi Adeineinu Meireinu VeRabeinu Melech HaMoshiach LeEilom Voed!


11/5/09

 

Zev, thank you very much!  I would greatly greatly appreciate sources in Hisvaadyos or elsewhere for the Rebbe saying this about the FR - whenever you can get to it.
Thanks for writing back so quickly,
S.
 


11/5/09

S.,

Give me some time to put a list together for you - may take a few days due to limited time.

Thanks again!

 

-Zev


11/5/09

 

I really appreciate it! :)


11/6/09

S.,


Don't ask me to do this again, please!

:-)


Teiras Menachem Biliti Muga

10 Shvot 5711 p.17 end of Sicho:

Also Now The Rebbecis found here BGashmiyus

Sh"P T'tzave Shushan Purim p.18

"Those who say that "Histalkus" means the Rebbe is away from us are WILD PEOPLE - they don't know what they're saying


"And the Ikar is that the Rebbe shlit"a with bring us to greet Moshiach tzidkeinu..."

Yeim Simchas Teiro 5711 Bilti muga p.52 the very end of the Sicho


5751 19 Kisleiv Bilti Muga p.113

Rebbe Rashab N"E asked Rebbe Rayatz whether the Alter Rebbe's cell can hold 3 people (including Baal Sheim Teiv, Maggid) when they came to him BGashmius.


Again, Rebbe Rayatz shlit"a:

5751 Vayakheil-Shkolim, Mevorchim Odor Sheini p.274 the Very end of the Sicho


Rebbe Rayatz never said Nishmosei Eiden about his father, Rebbe Rashab:

Bilti Muga again: Purim 5751 p.326 towards and of the Sicho

p.327 the very end of the Sicho:

"Der Rebbe shlit"a"


Up to Chassidim where the Rebbe can be:


A Chossid mentioned to the Rebbe shlit"A MH"M about the Rebbe Rayatz "der Rebbe Nishmosei Eiden"

The Rebbe started to cry and said "Why are you sending the Rebbe to Sibir' - Solovki - to Gan Eiden!?  WE NEED HIM HERE!!"


Teiras Menachem 5710 Sh"P Shlach Mevorchim Tammuz p.106 Eis 5

Not to say "Nishmosei Eiden on Rebbe Rayatz and NOT to send him away

 

Yankeiv Ovinu Lei Meis

Likutei Sicheis v.35 p.223-228


Yankeiv Ovinu Bguf Gashmi:

Likkutei Sicheis v.26 p.7 footnote 66


R' Yehida Hanossi B'guf Gashmi:

Ksubeis 103:1 Bottom of the page - pirush of Gilyein Hashas


Reb Elozor B'Reb Shimein

Bovo Basro 84:2 Middle of the page


Difference between 10 Shvot and 3 Tammuz:

Then aveido was completed and new Tkufa started - Deir HaShvii Sefer Maamorim Bosi LeGani 5711 p.5 second paragraph, and p.10 top and bottom

The Nesius of Current Rebbe will continue into Geuloh uninterrupted


Seifer Hasicheis 5752 Yisrei, 20-22 Shvot,  p.349 beginning of the page

p.366 Mishpotim, 27 Shvot

More in Bilti Muga 5748 Motzoei Sh"P Trumo, 2 Odor in the Rebbe's home - beginning 3 pages

Sicheis Keidesh 10 Shvot 5720 daf 12 middle

Seifer Hasicheis 5750  14 Tammuz p.560

Seifer Hasicheis 5751 Acharei Kdeishim 13 Iyor p.518


Chayim Nitzchiim of the Rebbe shlit"a MH"M

Chayim Nitzchiim of the current Nosi Hadeir:

Sefer Hisvaaduyeis 5749 v.4 p.148 Vaeschonon

Seifer Hasicheis 5752 Asoro BTeiveis - 14 Teiveis p.240 bottom


Nosi of our Deir is everlasting and is not subject to Gniza:

Sefer Hasicheis 5751 p.794 Sheiftim


Hope this helps!


Zev


Yechi Adeineinu Meireinu Verabbeinu Melech Hamoshiach LeEilom Voed!


11/6/09

 

Zev, thank you! Peleh Ployim! Thank you so much!

Q: when I visit the Ohel, it seems to be a steera to all of these sources? How do I begin to understand that it is not a steera? In the Ohel is a holy guf of flesh and blood, no? So what is the "shlit"a" referring to? Don't we say shlit"a on the health of someone's fleshly body? What else would we be saying "shlit"a" on? I'm trying to understand.

S.


11/6/09

S.,

This is a matter of the outlook.  Flesh eyes versus the Teiro.  Who is right?
 

I think the best thing is to learn the Rebbe's Sicheis, at least the ones I so painstakingly found for you and typed up.  It took me at least two hours.

 

So, do the justice to all my hard work and don't make me think that you were only asking for the sake of asking.  Look up at least the pages I pointed out (all of indicated).

 

How many days will it take you to do it?  Let me know.

We'll talk after you look up the sources.

 

Hatzlocho Rabo!

 

Yechi HaMelech! (Sicho of 2 Nissan 5748)

 

Zev


11/6/09

 

I very much would love to learn the sichos inside. I will have to find a chavrusa to do this with. I think I know someone to ask. I wasn't just asking you to ask. So your time was well spent even if it was just for yourself. But the fact is that it was also for me. I will let you know how my learning goes iyH.
Thanks again so much for your hard work. It is really great that you were able to do this.
Have a great Shabbos,
S.


11/6/09

Have a good Shabbos!

:-)
 

Zev

 

Moshiach Now!

Yechi HaMelech!


11/10/09

 

Hi Zev,

An update on my learning.....well, I struck out on my first attempt at getting a local shliach to learn these things with me. I sent him an email 4 days ago already and haven't heard back. Perhaps he thinks I'm a nut or he doesn't want to touch my questions with a 10 foot pole.

S


11/10/09

Can you learn on your own?

If not, I can try to get short English translations for you.


Alternatively, I can suggest some booklets that were compiled by various rabbis that contain the original quotes (some in English) and you can pick them up at stores in Crown Heights.


Alternatively, I can send you by regular mail some of the printed stuff I already have, but that will cost you (shipping) :-)

 

Hatzlocho!

Yechi HaMelech HaMoshiach!


11/10/09

 

Thanks Zev for your ideas. I can learn a bit on my own. But English is easier. Ideally, I like to use both the original and the English for when I get stuck. I can get to Crown Heights. What booklets would you suggest?


11/11/09

 

I have an idea. I can just go to a Chabad House and bring your sources and try to learn them on my own as best I can. Thanks again for all the work you put into collecting the sources.
Kol tuv.


11/12/09

Shmuel, 

 

If you have Skype, we can set up short learning sessions Monday through Thursday


Yechi HaMelech!


- Zev
 

P.S. I'll try to find sites for you so you can actually print the materials


11/12/09

 

Thanks Zev. I actually don't have internet at home, believe it or not. I can only access the internet at work, as I'm doing now. I work in a cubicle with no privacy, so Skype is not shayach at work. But I appreciate greatly your offer! If there are sites so I can actually print the materials - or put them on a cd and print them at home (I have a computer at home, just no internet) that would be wonderful. Thanks again for your extremely touching offer.
:)


11/12/09

The best website containing 100's of sforim in pdf is 

www.otzar770.com

I am not sure if it works (on and off)


Try these:


http://sichoskodesh.com/

individual volumes, also includes an image file with all 50 volumes to be burned onto a disc.


http://www.lahak.org/


http://chabadlibrary.org/books/


www.770live.com

has a lot of video, audio, and printed resources that you will appreciate, such as daily Rambam and Chitas, both in English (audio)


Besides Chabad.org (which I repeatedly find biased, from personal experiences and from Shluchim's stories) there is another, VERY informative Chabad website

www.chabadworld.net

which is much more straightforward about topics of Moshiach and does not withhold information from the public


http://www.moshiach.ru/english

Sholem Lougov who runs the website (a good friend of mine) can answer many questions.  He can provide you with more sources.  (Only ask nicely - he has a short fuse :-)


Try also Chabad.info for current Chabad news, also less biased as other Chabad news sites (that unfortunately do a lot of selecting and editing before putting out Chabad news as I and others personally witnessed)


www.sichosinenglish.org

speaks for itself, has many other English stuff, very useful


Another, very useful website

http://www.igrot.com/english/


http://www.chassidus.org/


But the best thing,


If you really want the ORIGINAL sources all laid out, on many other topics including the Rebbe shlit"a being Moshiach, proclaiming Yechi HaMelech, etc. etc. I can try to buy for you (if they are still on sale) 2 books containing quotes on the pages of the sicheis in original, Gemorro pages, etc., compiled by Rabbi Shloma Majesky.


This may cost $15-20 per book and another $10 shipping, about $50 total.

I used them to compile a list of sources for you.  I think it's a must for anyone to have to see the original pages and what the Rebbe shlit"a MH"M actually said.


Let me know and I'll stop by the store today

Yechi HaMelech!

 

-Zev


11/12/09

 

Thank you for this great chesed! I can't believe you really did all of this for me. I would love to buy the books. Do you have paypal or google checkout so I can send the money to you?


11/13/09

I have the first volume of Likutei M'Keireis (the second volume is  out of print)
Surprisingly, it was only $7 so add another $8 for shipping and you  can send via Paypal
Let me know which address to send it to.

Yechi HaMelech!

- Zev


11/14/09

 

Gut voch Zev,

Would it be possible to email me an exerpt from the sicha where the Rebbe gives over the nevuah and says that he is saying this as a nevuah and therefore it is certain to happen?

I was also thinking about this topic over Shabbos and I have two questions:
1. If Moshiach is maalah min hateva, then why was there even the appearance of an histalkus?

2. The nevuah of immediate geulah - how do we begin to understand the long delay since the time this nevuah was first given; and how the delay doesn't chas veshalom disprove the nevuah?

A.


11/16/09

S.,

I found vol.2 yesterday evening.
Sending you both, will try to send it out today.
Let me know when you receive them
 

A gut Cheidesh Geulah and a Gut Yor.

Yechi HaMelech!
 

- Zev


11/16/09

A gut voch and a gut yor :-)

 - I am pretty sure the Likkutei Mkeireis has that quote.  Either vol.1 or 2.

 - As per above, there are quotes from sources that Moshiach will be revealed and then concealed.  Why? (as you ask in Question 2)
Possible answer can be found in what the Mittleler Rebbe wrote (I think the source is also in the books I am sending) about the father who is testing the child.  So there is a smart child and there is a not so smart one.  The smart one knows that the father is only hiding, but he is near, and the child doesn't cry - he realizes that the father wants to test him and to see if he is following father's ways and teachings.  Then the father will come out of hiding and his connection and love for the child will be doubled.  On the other hand, the not so smart child will cry and cry, maybe look a bit for the father and then eventually despair and abandon any hope.  This shows that he didn't have a real love or connection in the first place.

The Rebe shlit"a MH'M did say on 28th of Nissan 5752 that I've done everything I can - referring to us wanting Moshiach and doing right things.  Well, we kind of blew it, so 27 Adar and 3 Tammuz happened, where the Rebbe concealed himself and now it's up to us, which son we're going to be - as the Mitteler Rebbe said.

 Hope that helps..

 Cheers!
Yechi HaMelech!

 Zev

 P.S.
 You've mentioned in a past email that the shliach wouldn't talk about these topics - I believe that he does now the Sicheis and the quotes, only he may be uncomfortable discussing these things with other
people.  After all all the arguments in Lubavitch on this topic stem from one thing: should we talk about the Rebe as shlit"a and Moshiach or not?  As for knowledge itself, it is widely known by many what the Rebbe has said, and I am sure that most Lubavitchers believe in this in their hearts.

           P.P.S.

          Here's a video of the Rebbe shlit"a MH"M meeting with Rabbi Mordechai Eliyohu on the 6th of MarChashvon 5752 (10/14/1991) when the Rebbe MH"M used shlit"a referring to the Rebbe Rayatz

http://www.moshiach.ru/vid/moshiach/5033.html

 


11/17/09

 

Zev,

 

Thanks again for this chessed you have done for me. I am grateful and
really touched.
I'll let you know when they arrive.
Gut chodesh

 


11/19/09

 

Hi Zev,

I want to thank you again for picking up these books for me.

There was a good amount of Yiddish
 in these books. Maybe a third or a half perhaps was in Yiddish so I had to skip these parts.

I stayed up very late last night finishing the books. Even after reading everything I am still unsure of what to think.
Sometimes I feel that the Rebbe is speaking in ruchnius terms, and sometimes it seems he means b'gashmius also.

I really really can't make up my mind about what I should believe. For me it hinges on how we are supposed to understand his statement "last dor or galus and first of geula" which he said many times. Also, it seems from the book that he only started saying this in the later years. It might have been implied in the very first maamar but he didn't actually say it then.

It's very sad that the geula sheleimah hasn't happened yet. From the Rebbe's talks it seemed like it was going to happen many years ago already.

In terms of being chay v'kayam, did the Rebbe ever say "zecher tzadik livracha" on the Friedeker Rebbe? I read in the book that the Rebbe says that it isn't correct to say this about his father-in-law. But even so, were there times he did say it?

A good gebenched yor.

 


11/20/09

 

BS"D

 A.,

 "Even after reading everything I am still unsure of what to think.
 Sometimes I feel that the Rebbe is speaking in ruchnius terms, and
 sometimes it seems he means b'gashmius also."

 Yes, there are direct quotes where the Rebbe mentiones "alive in a
 physical body" about the Rebbe Rayatz.

" I really really can't make up my mind about what I should believe."
 As the Rebbe says in the sicha about Yakeiv Ovinu - lei meis -
 physically.  Rashi
 on that Gemmorro says "The Mitzrim thought he was
 dead" implying that he wasn't.
  Also look at the source in Gemorro for R' Yehuda HaNossi coming
 back every Friday nights
 and making kiddush - b'gashmiyus, and being
 meitzi his family with with his kiddush, as a living person who is
 chayev b'mitzveis.

 There is another quote from the Rebbe (I didn't see it in the book,
 but I might have missed it) where the Rebbe (Pesach after 10 Shvot
 5710) asked why aren't people trying to go to the Rebbe Rayatz' room
 for Seder
 as they used to?  Since the Rebbe Rayatz is there and with
 him, Eliyohu Hanovi, not as a nitzutz that comes to every Seder, but
 in a guf gashmi as he can be in only one place.  The Rebbe shlit"a
 continued and said that it's a wonder then how can we farbreng
 without the Rebbe Rayatz if he is in his room... And then answered,
 that it's the Rebbe's will and he can hear us through the intercom.
 (Implying, not as a neshomo present in the air, but as physical
 person listening through the intercom)

" For me it hinges on how we are supposed to understand his statement
 "last dor or galus and first of geula" which he said many times.
 Also, it seems from the book that he only started saying this in
 the later years. It might have been implied in the very first
 maamar but he didn't actually say it then."
 I heard that this means that the same people who lived in Golus will
 live in the Geula.  Not as some interpret it, that the last
 generation of Golus will have to die out, and the new generation of
 Geula will be born into it.

" It's very sad that the geula sheleimah hasn't happened yet. From
 the Rebbe's talks it seemed like it was going to happen many years
 ago already."
 No question about it.  The more reasons to scream Ad Mosai!

" In terms of being chay v'kayam, did the Rebbe ever say "zecher
 tzadik livracha" on the Friedeker Rebbe? I read in the book that
 the Rebbe says that it isn't correct to say this about his father-
 in-law. But even so, were there times he did say it?"
 Never.  Even 40 years later, during the interview with R' Mordechai
 Eliyohu in 5752, "the Rebbe shlit"a" was the phrase referring to the
 Frierdike Rebbe.
 In the vol.1 of the book there are a few quotes where the Rebbe
 shlit"a cries after someone mentiones the Rebbe Rayatz as "nishmosei
 eiden" and cries more and says, "why are you giving addresses to the
 Rebbe?  why are you sending the Rebbe away?  We need him here!"

 Also shows us that chassidim have the power to "keep the Rebbe here"
 or "send him away"

 I heard one pirush on R' Yehuda HaNossi, why he was able to come back
 in a body and other Tzaddikim weren't (although they were also alive)
 - is because him talmidim refused to let him go, and considered him
 alive.

" A good gebenched yor."
 Gam Atem
 :-)

Yechi HaMelech!

 -Zev

 


11/20/09

 

Thanks Zev. I will try to go through the books again. There is a quote in
one of the books where the Rebbe says that the Rebbe Rayatz needs feet and
hands in this world and that's what the Rebbe's job is now after the
Rayatz's histalkus - to be the feet and hands of the Rebbe Rayatz.
But I plan to read everything again.
Kol tuv,

 


11/21/09

 

A guta voch Zev,

It's ashame I don't know Yiddish. Many of the pages in these books are in
Yiddish.

I went through them again and this is what I think:

The Rebbe does say that the Previous Rebbe is still with us begashmius but
he doesn't say (at least I didn't see it) that he is still with us in a
guf gashmi mamash. To be with us begashmius could mean that he is still
having an influence on the gashmius of olam hazeh. I don't think the Rebbe
says that he is still with us in a guf gashmi mammash, because the Rebbe
says that the Previous Rebbe after his histalkus is no longer limited by
the bounds of his body (hagbalos haguf). The Rebbe also says that the
Previous Rebbe needs "feet and hands" and that the Rebbe is now his feet
and hands after his histalkus.

In terms of being Moshiach, I would say that the Rebbe is saying that he
is the final redeemer. Most of the quotes only imply that the Rebbe is the
Moshiach of the Generation
 - the potential Moshiach if the generation is
zoche. But there are other quotes which imply that he is the final
redeemer, especially the one about the Yalkut Shimoni that the Moshiach is
already announcing that the time of the redemption has arrived. and that
Moshiach is already revealed. I see that the Rebbe said a number of times
that ours is the last generation of galus and the first of geula - but I
am still not sure if he meant this as a nevuah or as a brocha/tefilla. I'm
not sure. He doesn't say that this is a nevuah. He only said that "l'alter
l'geula" is a nevuah.

Have a great week.

 


11/23

 

Hi Zev,

The very end of Basi Legani 5710 says:
May we be privileged to see and meet with the Rebbe here is this world, in
a physical body
, in this earthy domain -- and he will redeem us.

Isn't this another proof that the Rebbe didn't think that the Previous
Rebbe already was alive in a physical body after histalkus?

Kol tuv,

 


11/23/09

 

 BS"D

 A gute voch
 :-)

"Isn't this another proof that the Rebbe didn't think that the Previous
 Rebbe already was alive in a physical body after histalkus?"

 I can not say what the Rebbe shlit"a  thinks...  I only look at the
 sicheis and other sources.
 All I know that the Rebbe addresses the Rebbe Rayatz as shlit"a and
 that he is here B'Gashmiyus as per sources:

 10 Shvot 5711 p.17 end of Sicho:
 Yeim Simchas Teiro 5711 Bilti muga p.52 the very end of the Sicho
 5751 Vayakheil-Shkolim, Mevorchim Odor Sheini p.274 the Very end of
 the Sicho
 Bilti Muga again: Purim 5751 p.326 towards and of the Sicho
 p.327 the very end of the Sicho:

 That the tzadikkim of highest caliber are b'guf gashmi:

 5751 19 Kisleiv Bilti Muga p.113
 Likutei Sicheis v.35 p.223-228
 Likkutei Sicheis v.26 p.7 footnote 66
 Ksubeis 103:1 Bottom of the page - pirush of Gilyein Hashas
 Bovo Basro 84:2 Middle of the page

 And that the Rebbe shlit"a MH"M himself, as the leader of our
 generation, is different than even the Rebbe Rayatz
 and thus there are fundamental differences that 3 Tammuz
 has even
 compared to 10 Shvot.  In other words, even the fact that the Rebbe
 Rayatz is shlit"a and here b'gashmiyus, it is still different from 3
 Tammuz.  Then the aveido was completed and new Tkufa started - Deir
 HaShvii Sefer Maamorim Bosi LeGani 5711 p.5 second paragraph, and p.
 10 top and bottom

 The Nesius of Current Rebbe will continue into Geuloh uninterrupted,
 as per sources:

 Seifer Hasicheis 5752 Yisrei, 20-22 Shvot,  p.349 beginning of the page
 p.366 Mishpotim, 27 Shvot
 More in Bilti Muga 5748 Motzoei Sh"P Trumo, 2 Odor in the Rebbe's
 home - beginning 3 pages
 Sicheis Keidesh 10 Shvot 5720 daf 12 middle
 Seifer Hasicheis 5750  14 Tammuz p.560
 Seifer Hasicheis 5751 Acharei Kdeishim 13 Iyor p.518

 The current Nosi
 Hadeir will have Chayim Nitzchiim:

 Sefer Hisvaaduyeis 5749 v.4 p.148 Vaeschonon
 Seifer Hasicheis 5752 Asoro BTeiveis - 14 Teiveis p.240 bottom

 Nosi of our Deir is everlasting and is not subject to Gniza:

 Sefer Hasicheis 5751 p.794 Sheiftim


 Kol Tuv
Yechi HaMelech!

 - Zev
 


11/23/09

 

A gute voch! Zev, thank you very much. All of this is helpful. I really
appreciate your doing this for me. I will look at this sources.
Have a good week,

 


12/3/09

 

Hi Zev,

Just wanted to touch base. I have a question. I am not sure that a person
can be designated Moshiach Vadai until after he builds the Beis HaMikdosh
and gathers all of the Jews to Eretz Yisrael. So I don't understand how
it's possible to say that the Rebbe taught that he is/will be Moshiach
Vadai if he hasn't yet completed the entire mission. Don't we have to
reserve Moshiach Vadai until after the mission has been completed and
before that time it is Chezkas sh'hu Moshiach? And that built into the
halacha there is a possibility that the status of Chezkas can be undone?
I'm not sure if I am stating my question clearly enough for you to
understand what I'm really asking. In other words, according to the
halacha are we ever allowed to say someone is Vadai before he has done
everything?

Kol tuv,

 


12/4/09


 BS"D

 Moshiach NOW!

 I'm curious - where have you heard about the Rebbe as Moshiach Vadai?

 - Zev

 


12/4/09

 

Hi Zev,

I haven't seen it too much. But I seem to recall reading something by
Arnie Gotfryd where he says this. Also, Moshe Yess.

Other than this, I haven't seen it. But this is what I gather people mean
when they say Melech HaMoshiach.

 


12/4/09

 

 BS"D

 Abba,

" I haven't seen it too much. But I seem to recall reading something by
 Arnie Gotfryd where he says this. Also, Moshe Yess."

 It may be a better idea to ask them directly.
 Arnie Gotfryd is at www.arniegotfryd.com
 and for Moshe Yess you can search on Tzach list

" ... But this is what I gather people mean when they say Melech HaMoshiach."

 1. In the Likkutei Mkeireis there are dozens of references to the
 Rebbe (Rebbe Rayatz) being Moshiach.
 2. In 5753 when Kehos was preparing one of the sforim about Geula
 (don't remember which one - Besuras Hageulo, maybe..) they asked
          whether they can print "Admu"r shlit"a Melech HaMoshiach"
 and the Rebbe gave permission.
 3. Chava Cohen brought a tambourine to the Rebbe shlit"a MH"M, which
 had the hachrozo "Yechi Adeineinu.. Melech HaMoshiach.." written on
 it and the Rebbe accepted it.
 4. Don't forget that for two years - from 27th of Odor, and even
 before, the Rebbe was strongly supporting the public singing of Yechi
 Adeineinu with the words Melech HaMoshiach from his balcony.

 I guess that's what everyone keeps in mind when the words Melech
 HaMoshiach are said.

 How does it fit to the Rambam?

 The Rebbe once brought a story at a farbrengen - about some of the students of ARI Hakodeish:  On Friday
, late afternoon he offered to
 them to spend Shabbos
 in Yerushalaim, they wanted to requested the
 permission of their wives and thus blew the chance.  So the Rebbe
 shlit"a MH"M said, at a farbrengen, when the Rebbe tells you
 something, don't run to check it against the Shulchon Oruch - that is
 NOT the way to bring Moshiach!  The Rebbe knows Shulchon Oruch also.

 In this case, we have clear Maasei HaRav (points 1-4 above, and many
 more), so there's no need to check it against Rambam.


 Hope that helps
 :-)

 Have A Gut Shabbos!

Yechi HaMelech!
 - Zev

 


12/4/09

 

Thanks Zev.
Good points. My only question mark is if the Rebbe was indicating by all
of these things that he did that he was the final Moshiach, or only the
potential Moshiach (and by doing all of these things he felt it might
bring it into reality). After all he ever accept being coronated as
Moshiach (from what I have learned so far).

 


12/7/09

 

BS"D

 Gut Yeim Teiv,
 L'Shono Teivo B'Limud HaChassidus ub'Darkei HaChassidus Tikoseiv V'Seichoseim!

" ... My only question mark is if the Rebbe was indicating by all of these things that he did that he was the final Moshiach, or only the potential Moshiach (and by doing all of these things he felt it might bring it into reality)."

 One of the quotes (I don't recall which one) in the Likkutei
 M'keireis has the Rebbe's statement that the Chabad Rebbe is the
 Leader of the Generation
 AND is the Moshiach of the Generation and is
 the Moshiach K'Pshutei.

 When the Rebbe says that he is Moshiach K'Pshutei (simply Moshiach) -
 do we need to look it up in the Rambam?
 (Remember the story about Arizal and his talmidim and what the Rebbe
 teaches us from this)

" After all he ever accept being coronated as Moshiach (from what I have learned so far) "

 Let's do everything we can that it would happen very soon!

 :-)

 Yechi ADMU"R Melech HaMoshiach L'eilom Voed!

 - Zev

 


12/7/09

 

BS"D

Hi Zev,

L'shono tova to you to and amen to your brocha.

It's true that the Rebbe says (in one of the books you got for me) that he
is Moshiach k'peshuto. However, in that same quote he also says that
*Moshe Rebbeinu* is moshiach k'peshuto. I have the page it's on at home. I
can send it to you when I get home if you want. What I learn from this is
that the Rebbe's "k'peshuto" is not what *we* normally think of as
"k'peshuto". (I remember the story about the Arizal and his talmidim.)

Kol tuv,

 


12/8/09

 

Hi Zev,

It's on page 17 of Lekut Mekoros volume Beis, near the top. The Rebbe says that Moshe Rebbeinu is also Moshiach Tzidkeinu - i.e Moshiach k'peshuto.

 

 


12/8/09

 

BS"D

" It's on page 17 of Lekut Mekoros volume Beis
, near the top. The Rebbe says that Moshe Rebbeinu is also Moshiach Tzidkeinu - i.e Moshiach k'peshuto "

 Of course!  We know that the Rebbe of each generation is "Ispashtuso
 D'Meishe Bchol Doro V'Doro" i.e. each leader of each generation IS,
 in fact, Meishe Rabbeinu.

 :-)

 Long Live the Rebbe King Moshiach!

 - Zev

 


12/8/09

 

BS"D,

Zev,

Before you told me that the Rebbe said he was Moshiach k'peshuto. I agreed
he said this. But we see that the Rebbe also said that Moshe Rebbeinu is
Moshiach k'peshuto. I left out one thing the Rebbe said. He adds that this
means the Moshiach sh'b'dor. So it comes out, that when the Rebbe says he
is Moshiach k'peshuto, he means that he is the Moshe sh'b'dor. And that
was my question. How do you know that everything the Rebbe said and did
indicated that he is the final Moshiach instead of just the Moshiach
sh'b'dor (i.e. the potential Moshiach if the dor merits it)?

Kol tuv,

 


12/8/09

 

BS"D

 Abba,

" ... But we see that the Rebbe also said that Moshe Rebbeinu is Moshiach k'peshuto. I left out one thing the Rebbe said. He adds that this means the Moshiach sh'b'dor. So it comes out, that when the Rebbe says he is Moshiach k'peshuto, he means that he is the Moshe sh'b'dor. And that was my question. How do you know that everything the Rebbe said and did indicated that he is the final Moshiach instead of just the Moshiach sh'b'dor (i.e. the potential Moshiach if the dor merits it)? "

 Simple.  In many places in the Likkutei Mk. and by the way, learn the
 beginning of this week's Sicho from 5752 (Seifer Hasicheis 5752-1991
 parshas Vayeisheiv) where the Rebbe says we are the LAST generation
 of Golus and the FIRST generation of Geuloh.
 In this light, the leader of THIS generation, who said the above
 about THIS generation, in the Moshiach of THIS generation, which IS
 the FIRST generation of geuloh, and HE is the one who is taking us
 out of golus and making it the generation of the geuloh

 :-)

 Da Zdravstvuyet Lubavuchskij Rebbe Korol' Moshiach!  (Russian)

 Zev

 


12/8/09

 

BS"D

Thanks Zev. Let me look into this some more.

What does that mean in Russian?

Kol tuv,

 


12/9/09

 

BS"D

 

Long Live the Lubavitcher Rebbe King Messiah!

 

- Zev

 


 

 

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